Fix hurtboxes? (Half bug report, half request)

[Lunatic]

The more hardcore players here know what's going on. When you dive into a player, you can jump and attack at the same time while they're still lying on the ground. Player hurtboxes are still wildly larger than their sprite, especially when they're lying on the ground like this. I'm basically striking the air, and the hitspark confirms this. Can we make hurtboxes better match player sprites during animations? This maneuver has always felt cheap and dirty.

[KliPeH]

[...] This maneuver has always felt cheap and dirty.

Agreed. Sadly, my complaint has already been denied in one of your other threads so there's no real point in discussing it again. Here's all that came out of it:

Jumping to cancel a roll is valid and it's valid to punch as you jump. While in the air you can't dodge bullets and depending on where you land you might enter the full kneel. So it has its drawbacks. By design!

I don't see how a move which literally cannot be countered when used is "valid". It's minor damage, yes, but it's damage that can kill you nonetheless. If you're down to 1 HP and you get dived into you are guaranteed to get killed if this move is used on you, without you being able to respond. I would say that creating something that is not counterable and is not a predefined move ("this heavy chargeable attack cannot be countered, so watch out!") is an exploit in my eyes.

You had your chance to counter the diving player before being caught. If you failed you can take damage depending on what your opponent do to you and where your opponent dives. It's to late to react once you're in your opponents arms falling down 3 levels on hotel for example. You will take damage.

[Lunatic]

haha yes, this frame one action is easily countered by our perfected anti-dive measure, the slowest maneuver in the game: using melee. Thank you gods for gracing SFD with such a beautifully deep combat system.

No, I'm asking for hurtboxes here to match their models. Currently, you can strike the air above a prone player to damage them despite hitting absolutely nothing. I propose that the hurtbox be moved so that you can't hit a prone player so far away from their position. It would fix this exact issue while still allowing players to easily jump attack in the fashion we have today.

[Ultimate]

haha yes, this frame one action is easily countered by our perfected anti-dive measure, the slowest maneuver in the game: using melee. Thank you gods for gracing SFD with such a beautifully deep combat system.

No, I'm asking for hurtboxes here to match their models. Currently, you can strike the air above a prone player to damage them despite hitting absolutely nothing. I propose that the hurtbox be moved so that you can't hit a prone player so far away from their position. It would fix this exact issue while still allowing players to easily jump attack in the fashion we have today.

If they're standing, you're hitting their face. On the ground their body, Christ! COMMON SENSE!

[KliPeH]

No, I'm asking for hurtboxes here to match their models. Currently, you can strike the air above a prone player to damage them despite hitting absolutely nothing. I propose that the hurtbox be moved so that you can't hit a prone player so far away from their position. It would fix this exact issue while still allowing players to easily jump attack in the fashion we have today.

Perhaps hitting an opponent lying on the ground while you're standing should be disabled, with crouching used instead; can't hit a downed player unless you crouch. I don't know if it'll help much but at least crouching will actually be useful in combat now too. I also don't see why punching a crouched player while standing is still a thing, adding that bit of detail might vary combat up a bit (another use for crouch in melee combat, although a downside to using it needs to be introduced as well).

[Lunatic]

If you can't hit a crouching player during melee unless you crouch as well, all melee fights turn into crouch slapfights. Basically what we have now but instead everyone's crouching. Unless there's an aforementioned downside, and it better be severe, let's not.

[Gurt]

If you can't hit a crouching player during melee unless you crouch as well, all melee fights turn into crouch slapfights. Basically what we have now but instead everyone's crouching. Unless there's an aforementioned downside, and it better be severe, let's not.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

About the bug: It's so stupid! How come this hasn't been reported earlier?...

[Lunatic]

I feel like I've said this kind of thing a lot and only just now given the visual for it. What's the deal, Gurt? Is it by design or is it busted?

[Gurt]

Clearly hitting someone that far up in the air should be considered a bug! Looking in the code I can see that code that should only apply to objects are being run on the disabled top-fixture from when a player is standing. Clearly wrong as the melee uses its own hitbox for players.

The things I have snapped up this far from around the forum is similar to vaguely saying that the melee is wonky or needs an overhaul or is broken. And that doesn't help me, sorry! If this is one of these bugs that anyone referred to then I can clearly see it now.

[Gurt]

Fixed after Pre-Alpha 1.9.0b.